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From: Jamie15310/18/2019 1:41:21 PM
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Boeing shares slide after FAA discovered ‘concerning’ messages about 737 Max certification

cnbc.com

A Boeing test pilot complained in the 2016 message that the system, known as MCAS, was difficult to control, the New York Times reported. Pilots at airlines including American complained after the crashes that it did not know about the system, known as MCAS, until after the first crash.

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To: Jamie153 who wrote (3435)10/18/2019 3:04:28 PM
From: John Koligman
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To me the big red flag was when the CEO was stripped of the Chairmanship to 'focus' on the 737 problem a short time ago. A strong signal that things were going to get more ugly. In addition to the lives lost, these 'shortcuts' are going to cost the company a LOT of money and imo result in a pretty significant stain on it's reputation.

Boeing Pilot Complained of ‘Egregious’ Issue With 737 Max in 2016

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A Boeing 737 Max 8 plane. The 737 Max was grounded earlier this year after crashing twice in five months.CreditCreditRuth Fremson/The New York Times

By David Gelles and Natalie Kitroeff

Oct. 18, 2019Updated 2:58 p.m. ET

A Boeing pilot working on the 737 Max said in messages from 2016 that a new automated system was making the plane difficult to control in flight simulators, more than two years before it was grounded after two deadly crashes.

The pilot, Mark Forkner, complained that the system, known as MCAS, was causing him trouble. “It’s running rampant in the sim,” he said in a message to a colleague, referring to the simulator.

“Granted, I suck at flying, but even this was egregious,” he went on to say, according to a transcript of the exchange reviewed by The New York Times.

The 737 Max was grounded this year after crashing twice in five months, killing 346 people. In both cases, MCAS malfunctioned because of erroneous data, sending the planes into unrecoverable nose dives.

Mr. Forkner, the chief technical pilot for the plane, went on to say he had lied to the Federal Aviation Administration.

“I basically lied to the regulators (unknowingly),” Mr. Forkner said in the messages.

Boeing provided the transcript to lawmakers in Capitol Hill over the past day, in advance of hearings this month at which Boeing’s chief executive, Dennis A. Muilenburg, will testify about the crashes for the first time. Boeing had provided the transcript this year to the Department of Justice, which is conducting a criminal investigation, according to two people familiar with the communications, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the exchange was not yet public.

“This is the smoking gun,” Representative Peter DeFazio, Democrat of Oregon, said in an interview. “This is no longer just a regulatory failure and a culture failure. It’s starting to look like criminal misconduct.”


Boeing 737 Max: The Latest on the Fallout After 2 Deadly CrashesBoeing remains under intense scrutiny nearly one year after the first Max jet was involved in a fatal accident.

Mr. DeFazio is chairman of the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, and his office is overseeing the House investigation into the crashes.

“Boeing cannot say this is about one person,” Mr. DeFazio said. “This is about a cultural failure at Boeing under pressure from Wall Street to just get this thing out there and make sure that you don’t open the door to further pilot training.”

Eight months before sending the messages, Mr. Forkner asked the F.A.A. if it would be O.K. to remove mention of MCAS from the pilot’s manual. The F.A.A., which at the time believed the system would activate only in rare cases and wasn’t particularly dangerous, approved Mr. Forkner’s request.

The F.A.A. administrator, Stephen Dickson, sent Mr. Muilenburg a letter Friday morning demanding that the company account for why it did not provide the messages to the agency earlier.

“I expect your explanation immediately regarding the content of this document and Boeing’s delay in disclosing the document to its safety regulator,” Mr. Dickson wrote.

Reuters was first to report on the existence of the messages.

A lawyer for Mr. Forkner played down the importance of the messages, saying Mr. Forkner was talking about issues with the simulator.

“If you read the whole chat, it is obvious that there was no ‘lie’ and the simulator program was not operating properly,” the lawyer, David Gerger, said in a statement. “Based on what he was told, Mark thought the plane was safe, and the simulator would be fixed.”

Mr. Forkner, who is now a pilot for Southwest Airlines, and Mr. Gustavsson did not reply to requests for comment.

Gordon Johndroe, a Boeing spokesman, said the company was “voluntarily cooperating” with the congressional investigation and provided the messages to lawmakers as part of that process.

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To: John Koligman who wrote (3436)10/18/2019 6:00:35 PM
From: Jamie153
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BA was a cash cow but the cash came after a CEO put profits ahead of safety. The rehiring of engineers will help some but it'll take time.
businessinsider.com

" Boeing is reaching out to retired airline technicians, mechanics, and engineers and offering temporary jobs to help get its stored 737 Max planes ready for delivery when the global grounding ends."

Earlier this year they outsourced their Max Software at $9 an hour.

bloomberg.com

"Engineers feared the practice meant code wasn’t done right"

How is it possible that none of this is regulated? Someone getting $9 a hour to code software for a plane is insane, but profitable.

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From: SI Ron (Crazy Soup Man)10/18/2019 9:10:50 PM
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Boeing 737 MAX test pilot grappled with simulator flaws, too
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SEATTLE, Oct 18 (Reuters) - In newly released text messages from 2016, a top Boeing 737 MAX test pilot tells a colleague that the jet's MCAS flight control system - the same one linked to two fatal crashes - was "running rampant in the (simulator) on me.".............

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From: Glenn Petersen10/20/2019 9:24:24 PM
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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (3439)10/26/2019 9:57:34 AM
From: Jamie153
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The entire management team of BA needs to be replaced. They put profits ahead of safety. CEOs who screw customers or employees will look like gods until it crashes (pun intended) around them. It's far to easy to work for or buy from someone else. Rule #1, don't screw your customers or your employees.

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To: Jamie153 who wrote (3440)10/26/2019 10:37:32 AM
From: Glenn Petersen
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To state the obvious, you should never compromise when it comes to safety issues. An inexcusable ethical lapse that cannot go unpunished.

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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (3441)10/26/2019 12:35:36 PM
From: Jamie153
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For the first time in US history, more CEOs are being fired because they're unethical, lawless and immoral. Usually, it's around 10%, now it's around 40%. In normal times they're fired because their numbers are bad. These are not normal times.

While I'm not old enough to know how things were prior to the collapse in 2007, there appears to be a trend. Bank CEOs had to lie about their ability to withstand record foreclosures and this happened after Bush lied about WMDs. Lying and unethical behavior appears to happen after the guy in the WH does it for many years. Lying about a bj one time didn't seem to have the same affect.

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To: Jamie153 who wrote (3442)10/27/2019 9:41:23 AM
From: Jeff Vayda
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Shades of previous boards you posted on. Unless you have some value to add wrt Boeing, there are better places to rant against the machine.

As to this board and Boeing, it is convenient to harp on Boeing's 'failure' in this. Anyone standing up to the obvious culpability of the airlines? Who are the ones putting greener and greener pilots in the seats?

Fly the damn plane!

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To: Jeff Vayda who wrote (3443)10/27/2019 11:28:21 AM
From: Jamie153
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When I read Boeing was using simulations on tablets instead of flight simulators I was done with them. The current leadership is corrupt.

Boeing 737 Max pilots didn't have flight simulators, and trained on iPads instead

appleinsider.com

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