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This board is a place to discuss the interaction between political influences and energy supply and potential future development. Because climate issues affect the politics of energy that is on topic here. There are other places to talk about specific investment ideas, like Big Dogs BBR but if you want to discuss such things here feel free.

I do realize that political issues can raise passion levels, but let's try to hold down back and forth name calling and personal insults. We don't want to ruin the board for other posters and readers.

Official Thread Sound Track is hereby declared to be "Drill Baby Drill"
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Charles Manson, Global Warming Prophet 57585
Hansen - last interglacial warmer 69530
Alarmists spurn solar 70609
NASA adj 71558
No US warming for past century 57234, 76707
The Most Comprehensive Assault On 'Global Warming' Ever 73303
Climate Movement International Governance 73814
How to tell who is lying to you 73939
Human Attribution Science and Hype 74143
NASA data tampering in the cause of model driven science demonstrated 74294
NOAA highlevel fraud exposed by expert insider 74663
Study refutes warming 74723
Dr Neil Frank, PhD on climate change 74788
How GHCN software changed Maine, Mich, CA temp record 74782
Solar's NF3 17,200 X the GHG CO2 is 75149
Nearly half of GHCN stations at airports as of 2009 74871
11 US energy maps 75152
Facts about world oil demand 75193
German physicist on impracticality of EV's 75672
Agriculture and CO2 75697
Facts on Holocene Ice Fluctations 75984
Nice Lindzen discussion 76559
The digital revolution impact on energy 76592
O&G vs solar and wind 76793
Singer on temp trends 76836
NASA modeling expert says climate models can't predict climate 76933
Cliff Mass, Criminal Climate Change Denialist 76928
What it would take for GHG's to warm the ocean 77060
What IS the avg temp of the earth? 77514 & 77572 There has been essentially no global warming for a century + ... what's claimed as warming is just the adjustment downward of past recorded temperatures.
PNAS: 100% renewables delusional 77669
Cowboyistan still in charge 77670
Toxic solar pv waste a major growing problem 77813
Earth nearly doomed by low CO2 during last ice age 77896
$5+ TRILLION to wind energy companies 77898
Solar panels composed partially of fossil fuels 77930
Wind power requires 100% backup by conventional energy 78059
Droughts becoming more severe? No, says science 78060-78064
Science determined by the funding 78349
Diminishing effect of increasing CO2 on temperature 78358
Child miners aged four living a hell on Earth so YOU can drive an electric car 78774
Federal climate report thoroughly debunked 78787
3 good points re CAGW: 78797&78798
Why there can never be a renewable powered aluminum smelter 78799
Noble cause Chicken Littles should not be believed 78916
Former GISS & Potsdam climate scientists call for GISS to be defunded 78959-78962
Climate scientists: Warming has been over-estimated 78989-78990
Something different - I'm accepting Eric's challenge to pick a fossil fuel stock to compare over the long term (10 yrs) with TSLA. I'll pick XOM v TSLA for 10 yrs. I will treat cash dividends received as a reduction of the basis. This is simpler than having to reduce the share basis for repurchases. XOM is at $72.37 right now, TSLA is at $246.60. Using a 100 share vs 30 share count will closely equalize the investments ... letting TSLA have a slight lead starting off.

As suggested by Eric, I'll modify the challenge as follows today - 9/15/15:

30 shares of TSLA 9/11/15 = $7,398
150 shares of SCTY 9/15/15 = $7,260
310 shares of SPWR 9/15/15 = $7,223
150 shares of FSLR 9/15/15 = $7,005
total for 4 alt energy stocks (w/ beginning value of about $7K ea) you mentioned about a year ago = $28,886

TSLA and SCTY merged in the past year with each SCTY share being converted into 0.11 share of TSLA. So the original 150 shares of SCTY became 16.5 shares of TSLA bringing the TSLA share total to 46.5 shares. The value of this portfolio at 12/31/16 is $16,800. A decline in value since mid Sept 2015 of 42%.


100 shares of XOM 9/11/15 = $7,237
230 shares of KMI 9/15/15 = $6,923
150 shares of COP 9/15/15 = $7,127
90 shares of PSX 9/15/15 = $7,146
total for 4 traditional energy stocks (w/ beginning value of about $7K ea) I selected = $28,433

Since Sept 2015, these stocks have paid dividends of $1,135, so I'm treating this as a reduction of the basis from $28,433 to $27,298. The value of this portfolio at 12/13/16 is $29,087. This is 6.6% greater than the basis after adjustment for dividends received.

15 month comparison: Eric's Alt Energy portfolio -42% My Fossil Fuel portfolio +6.6%


"Remember this was a tiny field, a backwater, and then suddenly you increased the funding to billions and everyone got into it," Lindzen said. "Even in 1990 no one at MIT called themselves a ‘climate scientist,’ and then all of a sudden everyone was. They only entered it because of the bucks; they realized it was a gravy train.

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U.S. Data Since 1895 Fail To Show Warming Trend –

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